I’m a typical size 8, which is what I ordered my first go around with these pants. I like the way they fit and the color stays true through many washes. But they shrink, so I ordered a size 10 to allow for the shrinkage in length…but they also turned into high water pants. So now I’ve ordered 2 sizes up, a 12, to experiment. They’re a little big but I’m interested in seeing if they’re a perfect fit after I’ve washed them several times. I typically keep clothes for years, but these are filling up my donation box!